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發潛闡幽,以勵來兹。齊心協力,精善大典。

三人行,必有我師焉。人誰無惑?遇有疑難,不妨直言。眾志成城,定能釋答。而論道之時,理當守禮,相敬相重,不爭意氣,不拘小節。如是大典之成,可計日而待也。

往昔之論
往昔之論

生者不立傳之策尚存否?[]

文言大典素奉生者不立傳之策,今清風翻書,尋得生者拉臘·杜塔一文,若此策尚存,宜刪之。--Hkzense (talk) 二〇一五年一〇月二九日 (四) 〇一時三二分 (UTC)

未署名者:我看見他們說大典初立時寫的生者傳記就不管了,因為那時還沒這"政策",有政策後肯定不能寫.
是策尚存。希有秩刪之。- 二〇一五年一〇月三〇日 (五) 一四時四三分 (UTC)

求助[]

吾符节失矣,请移无名子之用户页至忘符节之无名子之用户页。 不胜感激。--忘符节之无名子 (talk) 二〇一六年一月一二日 (二) 一〇時二一分 (UTC)

未见用户名曰无名子也。--Cosine02 (talk) 二〇一六年一月一五日 (五) 一五時二四分 (UTC)

丙申維基問策[]

:Please help translate to your language Hello, all.

The Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) has launched a consultation to help create and prioritize WMF strategy beginning July 2016 and for the 12 to 24 months thereafter. This consultation will be open, on Meta, from 18 January to 26 February, after which the Foundation will also use these ideas to help inform its Annual Plan. (More on our timeline can be found on that Meta page.)

Your input is welcome (and greatly desired) at the Meta discussion, 2016 Strategy/Community consultation.

Apologies for English, where this is posted on a non-English project. We thought it was more important to get the consultation translated as much as possible, and good headway has been made there in some languages. There is still much to do, however! We created m:2016 Strategy/Translations to try to help coordinate what needs translation and what progress is being made. :)

If you have questions, please reach out to me on my talk page or on the strategy consultation's talk page or by email to mdennis@wikimedia.org.

I hope you'll join us! Maggie Dennis via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 二〇一六年一月一八日 (一) 一九時〇六分 (UTC)

系統消息回落[]

未有文言譯文之系統消息宜呈示正體白話,而非英文。

倘無異議,七日後將報後臺改之。

--東吳周郎 (talk) 二〇一六年一月二五日 (一) 〇三時五二分 (UTC)

天津爆炸[]

客歲天津爆炸尚未修撰,諸君有欲爲者否?另,爆炸、爆發等古辭當作何?鄙人查閱緗帙未有能合者。----VitaDei

可謂之爆灼。《說文》爆,灼也。至於炸字,不才閱察《說文》,未見其字。故名之爆灼。此建吾議。- 二〇一六年二月二七日 (六) 〇五時三二分 (UTC)

多謝指教、--VitaDei (talk) 二〇一六年二月二七日 (六) 一二時二二分 (UTC)

凡例[]

凡例中大致羅列了一些編輯的要點,但是還有很多微妙的東西尚未彰明。例如古文的章法,生人不傳等,都應該詳細講解,不然,新至者很容易違反,然後再去刪改的話,很容易打擊其編輯積極性,如此可能會抑制新的編輯者加入大典,以上一些愚見。----VitaDei

絕倒之事[]

夫為文,思有衰之時,辭不逮心,以至文白雜糅,故大典立牌以警之;近日見粵文大典有牌曰:粵夾文言者,不禁絕倒。--VitaDei 二〇一六年二月一四日 (日) 〇四時〇一分 (UTC)

格物[]

觀諸英文、日文大典,門類別科,各有所專者;惟我大典,譔者惟稀,寥寥數人而已矣,若以一夫之身而當萬夫,不亦雄哉。粵若稽古,昔泰西有上智大哲曰亞里士多德,其爲學也,形上形下,無有不格,此吾曹當思齊焉者也。--VitaDei (talk) 二〇一六年二月一八日 (四) 二三時五四分 (UTC)

然。----損齋 (talk) 二〇一六年二月一九日 (五) 〇〇時〇二分 (UTC)

多年而不綴者,惟君一人而已,在下拱手仰君德--VitaDei (talk) 二〇一六年二月一九日 (五) 〇〇時〇四分 (UTC)

大典始肇,編修尚眾,人亦濟濟,典章制度,皆由彼時。爾後人漸鮮寡。四年前予來大典,已不見常修。---—損齋 (talk) 二〇一六年二月一九日 (五) 〇〇時一五分 (UTC)

我看過一個數據,整個大典幾乎是由itsmine及閣下撐起來的。--VitaDei (talk) 二〇一六年二月一九日 (五) 〇〇時三七分 (UTC)

  • 我還遠不及孔明先生。又,不知此數據何來?----損齋 (talk) 二〇一六年二月一九日 (五) 〇〇時三九分 (UTC)

http://stats.wikimedia.org/DE/TablesWikipediaZH_CLASSICAL.htm --VitaDei (talk) 二〇一六年二月一九日 (五) 〇〇時五二分 (UTC)

博麗靈夢[]

↑此文不可留。言辭荒誕。--沈澤 (talk) 二〇一六年二月二一日 (日) 〇八時三二分 (UTC)

用詞[]

人皆偏私,一種語言既爲特定群體使用,就不會不有其特定的文化意識特徵,例如古時典籍中有強烈的華夷思想,將他民族(人群)視爲狄夷禽獸;粵語中稱西洋人爲鬼佬;日本人爲日本仔;閩南語中稱洋人爲紅毛等,皆是例子。如今看日文版維基,日本化傾向相當嚴重。絕對的全球觀點並不存在 --VitaDei (talk) 二〇一六年二月二二日 (一) 〇〇時二〇分 (UTC)

若今諸語皆謂一九三七年日軍屠城爲“大屠殺”,日版維基獨謂之“南京事件”,又奈其何?--VitaDei (talk) 二〇一六年二月二二日 (一) 〇〇時二九分 (UTC)

關乎狄夷者:狄夷二字,古部族之名也。無貶義。特因之二部屢屢犯漢,漢乃以為貶義。故之二字固無罪。唯君察之。- 二〇一六年二月二七日 (六) 〇五時一六分 (UTC)

性理學謂狄夷得氣之偏,性與禽獸同也(介於人與動物)。--VitaDei (talk) 二〇一六年二月二七日 (六) 一二時二六分 (UTC)

古文先生[]

文言先生一詞是對知識分子、老師、文士的尊稱。相當於“子”、“夫子”等。 --VitaDei (talk) 二〇一六年二月二四日 (三) 一五時五六分 (UTC)

上次我稱王力爲先生有人以不是文言給改了 --VitaDei (talk) 二〇一六年二月二四日 (三) 一六時〇一分 (UTC)

但凡知識分子,教師,學者、如果你尊重他可稱為先生、夫子;如果看他不爽可以學潤之哥稱其爲“臭老九”--VitaDei (talk) 二〇一六年二月二四日 (三) 一六時〇五分 (UTC)

VitaDei:方觀覽會館而見此議。「先生」確實可用於文言。然亦是用於文言之書信,或行文之對話者。以旁觀而敘述之角度,似不宜以先生稱師。是猶白話文,以「老師」當面稱之,而以「教師」行其文。夫「先生」者,與其以為文言,莫若以為上古之口語如「在下」「閣下」者。惟君察之。- 二〇一六年三月二四日 (四) 一四時一六分 (UTC)

封禁政策[]

對破壞者的封禁。文言維基暫時沒有任何政策可以作為依據。之前的許多ip用戶,登陸了的破壞者都沒有被封禁,也是因為沒有參照之依據。近日之破壞者,僕多予以一星期的封禁,這是對於IP用戶。對於注冊用戶已經有警告模板,所以算是有一定的章法可循。我將建立維基大典:禁制,以實現有依據的封禁政策。屆時請諸位在彼條目之討論頁進行完善討論。----損齋 (talk) 二〇一六年二月二五日 (四) 二〇時三五分 (UTC)

求譯編輯器[]

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Hello again. Please excuse the English. Please help translate to your language. Thank you!

This is a reminder that the visual editor is coming to all editors at this Wikipedia soon. As of this writing, the team is not aware of any issues specific to this language that should prevent the new software to be deployed here; therefore, please do let us know if you find any problems instead. You can report issues in Phabricator, the new bug tracking system or on the central feedback page on MediaWiki.org. There is a short guide at mediawiki.org that you can follow (as if it was a "checklist") to learn about the community work necessary to adapt the visual editor, and its referencing system in particular, to your community's needs.

If you can translate from English into this wiki's language, or know anyone who can, please follow the links below, as this language still has 0% progress in translations(0% or slightly above, for interface messages). You'll help your community get the best possible experience when it comes to interface messages and documentation related to the visual editor. After you click on any links, your language should be available from the drop-down menu on the right. Once you've selected it, you'll see the document in English side by side with any translation work already done in your language. You can add new translations or modify existing ones. The interface is hosted at https://translatewiki.net; you'll need an account if you never translated there before. The user guide lives at Mediawiki.org, for which you can use your regular Wikipedia account. You're welcome to contact me personally whenever you need help.

Thank you for your cooperation, and happy editing! --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 二〇一六年二月二六日 (五) 一六時三四分 (UTC)

斯文其旨:編輯器可即得其文者已成,唯大典諸君譯英文為文言,然後可以之制文纂篇,善利大典。- 二〇一六年二月二七日 (六) 〇五時三八分 (UTC)
另:斯新編輯器,白話維基謂之「可視化編輯器」,予以可視二字入文言,難得其要。可以「即得」譯之。- 二〇一六年二月二七日 (六) 〇五時三八分 (UTC)

禁訟二律[]

夫維基肇始,諸典斯成,修文繕章,撰者之勞。莫不草憲制而行律例,因權衡而鞫殘賊。不立制度,則未之前聞。今察諸維基之垂象,以則其刑。

察禁律[]

察禁,所以沮殘止賊者也。殘賊者,亂典而不知止者也。夫隳維基者,名有顯隱。

  • 顯名隳典,初觸,置警告模板。再三為之,適情鞫置。
  • 隱名隳典,有秩不知其所由,逐一察之,滄海一粟。故凡隱名隳典者,咸禁七日,勿論初、再。

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  • 議曰:所謂隳者,凡言不實、壞文貌、置廣告、言輕狂、言恫嚇、辱斯文、辱人名者,皆為隳典。
  • 問曰:如何則壞文貌?
  • 答曰:入冗言、去文義、入異文、去要旨、是為壞文貌。
  • 問曰:如何謂之恫嚇?
  • 答曰:凡欲屈人以言,不以律者,皆為恫嚇,於隳典者,亦須以律服之,禁恫嚇。
  • 問曰:如何則辱斯文也?
  • 答曰:撰者之名,凡言有所指,且多不遜者,謂之辱斯文。
  • 問曰:何謂辱人名?
  • 答曰:即二人相詈也。
  • 問曰:何謂言輕狂?
  • 答曰:言輕狂,蓋以不經之言入文,且隳典者知其所入者誕,而入之。是為言輕狂。

永禁[]

永禁所適,元惡巨頑也。元惡巨頑者,不能諭以理。凡以顯名隳典,逾三日不改其行者,鞫永禁。隱名隳典,逾七日不改其行者,鞫永禁。

  • 難曰:若彼隱名恆易,如何處置。
  • 答曰:夫恆易之名,不可得而禁之,其適此條者,隱名而不易其址者也。其余鞫七日之禁。

訟律[]

聖人不能無過,況乎人也。故著訟律,以效反正。

  • 無妄被禁者,持顯名、隱名地址至有秩處,興議論,爾後有秩酌情治之。
  • 隳典被禁者,持顯名、隱名地址至有秩處,興議論,凡欲解禁,必誓不再犯,解禁之後復舊者,鞫永禁。
  • 永禁例不赦。

以上為禁制初草,望眾卿覽讀,以達共識。----損齋 (talk) 二〇一六年二月二六日 (五) 一七時〇〇分 (UTC)

善。如是可止隳典。- 二〇一六年二月二七日 (六) 〇五時四〇分 (UTC)

文辭不暢[]

大典既立,以文言書萬物。然亦有違者,或力不逮,或疏於察。乃有模板警之,期一月以正其文,否則刪其文。然多逾年不改。今陳之,希有權刪文者刪之。

建者署名:- 二〇一六年二月二七日 (六) 〇七時四四分 (UTC)

刑教[]

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明刑弼教,閣下駿奔走焉,勞矣,敬奉茶。 --VitaDei (talk) 二〇一六年二月二七日 (六) 〇九時二二分 (UTC)

謝卿好茶!- 二〇一六年二月二八日 (日) 〇四時〇一分 (UTC)

問文言之名[]

抱歉用現代漢語發文。順便求翻譯成文言文[以免有人看不懂現代漢語]。

現在這裡所用的語言在維基系統跨語言連接上會顯示成文言,但單寫文言這用語在現代好像只有中國國內用戶或中文使用者可以明白其實是指這種語言。對於其他曾經使用這種語言的國家並現在仍繼續研究的國家,包括日本、韓國、越南等而言,他們在使用lzh這種語言時都會稱之為漢文而不會稱之為文言。以日本為例文言這兩個字更可能被理解為日語的文語體。另一方面,對於西方等其他國家懂得漢字但母語非中文的人而言,他們在跨語言連接中看到文言這兩個字時他們亦未必能意會到這裡的文言是指中文的文言。為方便各方使用者,建議將現在翻譯成文言的語言名字改成漢文文言。

C933103 (talk) 二〇一六年三月一四日 (一) 一〇時四六分 (UTC)

C933103:汝關切之情,見乎字間。大典之立,眾忱是賴。然中邦以母語爲漢語,而人名之曰中國語。漢語一詞之於日本語,蓋謂自唐入和之借詞也。然則日人見漢語,以爲借詞之名,而吾儕當更名爲中國語以利日人?未有此理。語云:名從主人。斯言得之。漢人以其語爲漢語而無需改之,和人以其語爲日本語而無需改之。曩者文字之人,名其文爲文言,故亦無需更名。況古東瀛之士,亦有名之曰文言者。今建斯言,唯君察之。- 二〇一六年三月一九日 (六) 〇五時二七分 (UTC)

今維基圕新簿可用(丙申仲春)[]

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Hello Wikimedians!

The TWL OWL says sign up today!

The Wikipedia Library is announcing signups today for free, full-access accounts to published research as part of our Publisher Donation Program. You can sign up for access to research materials from:

  • Cambridge University Press - a major publisher of academic journals and e-books in a variety of subject areas. Access includes both Cambridge Journals Online and Cambridge Books. 25 accounts.
  • Alexander Street Academic Video Online - a large academic video collection good for a wide range of subjects, including news programs (such as PBS and BBC), music and theatre, lectures and demonstrations, and documentaries. 25 accounts.
  • Baylor University Press - a publisher of academic e-books primarily in religious studies and the humanities. 50 accounts.
  • Future Science Group - a publisher of medical, biotechnological and scientific research. 30 accounts.
  • Annual Reviews - a publisher of review articles in the biomedical sciences. 100 accounts.
  • Miramar Ship Index - an index to ships and their histories since the early 19th century. 30 accounts.

Non-English

  • Noormags - Farsi-language aggregator of academic and professional journals and magazines. 30 accounts.
  • Kotobna - Arabic-language ebook publishing platform. 20 accounts.

Expansions

  • Gale - aggregator of newspapers, magazines and journals. 50 accounts.
  • Elsevier ScienceDirect - an academic publishing company that publishes medical and scientific literature. 100 accounts.

Many other partnerships with accounts available are listed on our partners page, including Project MUSE, De Gruyter, EBSCO, Newspapers.com and British Newspaper Archive. Do better research and help expand the use of high quality references across Wikipedia projects: sign up today!
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維基文庫 模 不可用[]

會館原文,已載於維基文庫︰靜夜思

({{wikisource|靜夜思}})然擊之無所謂靜夜思之頁,何故也?何以修繕之?--沈澤 (talk) 二〇一六年三月二〇日 (日) 〇五時三一分 (UTC)

恐怖分子?[]

今所謂恐怖分子,其之於文言應以何對之?謝過!--沈澤 (talk) 二〇一六年三月二二日 (二) 一三時一一分 (UTC)

凶贼?----損齋 (talk) 二〇一六年三月二二日 (二) 一四時四五分 (UTC)

若專其義、賅其事,愚以為當作【魔孽】(名)謂恐怖分子。英文Terrorist。魔也者,謂邪道、非人、變態。孽也者,謂小人、惡佞、賤類。此等人奉鬼說、行僻事、害民兆,單稱暴、兇、賊、惡不足以括其實,必合魔與孽而言之,恐怖分子即魔孽而已。勝爲士 (talk) 二〇一六年三月二二日 (二) 一七時一二分 (UTC)

善!竊為白話之「恐怖主義」不適入文,亦望有雅正之詞替代之。- 二〇一六年三月二四日 (四) 一四時〇五分 (UTC)

Open Call for Individual Engagement Grants[]

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Please help translate to your language:

Greetings! The Individual Engagement Grants (IEG) program is accepting proposals until April 12th to fund new tools, research, outreach efforts, and other experiments that enhance the work of Wikimedia volunteers. Whether you need a small or large amount of funds (up to $30,000 USD), IEGs can support you and your team’s project development time in addition to project expenses such as materials, travel, and rental space.

With thanks, I JethroBT (WMF) 二〇一六年三月三一日 (四) 一五時四七分 (UTC)

  • 此何?米斯蒂婭洛蕾拉 二〇一六年五月二二日 (日) 〇九時二四分 (UTC)

Server switch 2016[]

The Wikimedia Foundation will be testing its newest data center in Dallas. This will make sure Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia wikis can stay online even after a disaster. To make sure everything is working, the Wikimedia Technology department needs to conduct a planned test. This test will show whether they can reliably switch from one data center to the other. It requires many teams to prepare for the test and to be available to fix any unexpected problems.

They will switch all traffic to the new data center on Tuesday, 19 April.
On Thursday, 21 April, they will switch back to the primary data center.

Unfortunately, because of some limitations in MediaWiki, all editing must stop during those two switches. We apologize for this disruption, and we are working to minimize it in the future.

You will be able to read, but not edit, all wikis for a short period of time.

  • You will not be able to edit for approximately 15 to 30 minutes on Tuesday, 19 April and Thursday, 21 April, starting at 14:00 UTC (15:00 BST, 16:00 CEST, 10:00 EDT, 07:00 PDT).

If you try to edit or save during these times, you will see an error message. We hope that no edits will be lost during these minutes, but we can't guarantee it. If you see the error message, then please wait until everything is back to normal. Then you should be able to save your edit. But, we recommend that you make a copy of your changes first, just in case.

Other effects:

  • Background jobs will be slower and some may be dropped.

Red links might not be updated as quickly as normal. If you create an article that is already linked somewhere else, the link will stay red longer than usual. Some long-running scripts will have to be stopped.

  • There will be a code freeze for the week of 18 April.

No non-essential code deployments will take place.

This test was originally planned to take place on March 22. April 19th and 21st are the new dates. You can read the schedule at wikitech.wikimedia.org. They will post any changes on that schedule. There will be more notifications about this. Please share this information with your community. /User:Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 二〇一六年四月一七日 (日) 二一時〇八分 (UTC)

Wikipedia to the Moon[]

Hello! Sorry that this is in English only, but we are using village pump messaging in order to reach as many language communities as possible. Wrong page? Please fix it here.

This is an invitation to all Wikipedians: Wikimedia Deutschland has been given data space to include Wikipedia content in an upcoming mission to the Moon. (No joke!) We have launched a community discussion about how to do that, because we feel that this is for the global community of editors. Please, join the discussion on Meta-Wiki (and translate this invitation to your language community)! Best, Moon team at Wikimedia Deutschland 二〇一六年四月二一日 (四) 一五時三五分 (UTC)

何以爲虛人傳?[]

凡動漫遊戲之諸角,夜雀謂之以虛人也。例拳皇之鎮元齋,東方之霍青娥,火影之春野櫻,諸如此類。 可有模板以定乎?生者不傳之策可曾適之乎? 米斯蒂婭洛蕾拉 二〇一六年五月一三日 (五) 一二時〇六分 (UTC)

MistiaLorrelay:生者不傳之策蓋不適用。可記其事如他者之傳記,惟務去溢美之詞。大典尚無法則繫乎此者,閣下其參見白話維基。拜。- 二〇一六年五月二一日 (六) 〇四時一二分 (UTC)

去用戶框[]

夫所謂用戶框者,中庸之賊也。中庸者,維基之所以立也。用戶框立而賊入,中庸喪亡。政治用戶框、信仰用戶框,猶害維基,己見惟用,主觀是生。於大典本不相關,復悖其旨。維基編者,惟盡力是務,以期條目之廣,文字之精,豈得以用戶框為玩物,啟爭亂之釁,開伐異之端耶?宜去政治、信仰諸用戶框,僅存巴別而已。----損齋 (talk) 二〇一六年五月二四日 (二) 〇二時一一分 (UTC)