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發潛闡幽,以勵來茲。齊心協力,精善大典。

三人行,必有我師焉。人誰無惑?遇有疑難,不妨直言。眾志成城,定能釋答。而論道之時,理當守禮,相敬相重,不爭意氣,不拘小節。如是大典之成,可計日而待也。

存檔

往昔之論,咸存於。--孔明居士 二〇〇七年一一月一五日 (四) 〇三時〇四分 (UTC)[回覆]

閣之議

  • 文言恐不達力,容予白話告之。
  • 來文言文維基近一年了,大典新知增容可觀,本人結識的文友也不少,十分高興。至此西歷新年,向各位問好。但經過這段時間觀察后,我發現比較多的弊病,提幾點看法。第一、大典雖然編訂凡例,但到具體實施時,感覺凡例就像只花瓶,僅幾個大綱在上,甚至根本無據可參。第二、好多細節上,大家都無法統一,如地名詞條如何分類,生人是否立傳,日舶詞是否限制,文白相間如何鑒定?第三、若凡例,重修訂,那么就該圍坐一起好好商談,先確定再作文。第四、既然要商談,大家能否百忙中抽出點時間,定期聯絡,確定各聊天工具。(QQ?MSN?GTALK?)

--延陵世家 二〇〇九年一月四日 (日) 〇五時四二分 (UTC)[回覆]

QQ群號:80507045--延陵世家 二〇〇九年二月一二日 (四) 一四時四〇分 (UTC)[回覆]

  • QQ聯繫實為下策Noice Creator 二〇一二年四月二四日 (二) 一一時四六分 (UTC)

Help:凡例,謬甚矣。

凡者,General大體也([一]);例者,Guideline規定也([二])。審其内容,亦是說方針。然其文之跨語言鏈接卻是至zh:Help:目錄,謬甚矣。政策不係幫助之全部。

余意將之跨語言鏈接改至zh:Wikipedia:方針與指引,再新撰Help:綱目一文,何如?百家姓之四 二〇〇九年三月一〇日 (二) 〇三時四八分 (UTC)[回覆]

他山者,非必譯也。凡例者,書之體例也,全書纂修之道,閱書之法,悉在其中。況規例繁多,而閱者鮮,何用之有。故不必另立綱目,一依今例可矣。足下熱心,吾人心領,在此拜謝。--孔明居士 二〇〇九年三月一〇日 (二) 〇五時四九分 (UTC)[回覆]

吾以為當應照百家姓之四君之建議改跨語言之鏈接,惟凡例之名,則無用改矣。亦無須另立新文。孔明君,所言甚是。--J.Wong 二〇〇九年三月一二日 (四) 〇三時〇四分 (UTC)[回覆]

余以J.Wong所言为佳。百家姓之四 二〇〇九年三月一六日 (一) 〇九時五八分 (UTC)[回覆]

更卷首卓著之議

夫大典纳文已逾二千,正典亦盈百,而卷首卓著,尤陳年之文。弱水三千,獨引一瓢,過矣!予不佞,舉孫中山華盛頓杜牧莎拉伯恩哈特四篇,自度可輪換之。诗曰:靡不有初,鲜克有终。又,子曰:三人行,必有吾师。故付諸賢士議。--延陵世家 二〇〇九年三月二三日 (一) 一〇時一七分 (UTC)[回覆]

宜先新卓著,自可更易。吾以為孫文華盛頓拿破崙斯密亞丹推古天皇段祺瑞等傳,已堪稱卓。--阮薰華 二〇〇九年三月二三日 (一) 一三時〇〇分 (UTC)[回覆]

余以孫文華盛頓拿破崙段祺瑞諸傳,可稱卓也。夏侯 韜 二〇〇九年三月二四日 (二) 〇一時五四分 (UTC)[回覆]

一從輿議,晉孫文華盛頓杜牧莎拉伯恩哈特推古天皇斯密亞丹等六文為卓著,而拿破崙段祺瑞二文,雖文采煥然,記述詳實,悉欠所據,故且留中,容補闕後,即晉之也。--孔明居士 二〇〇九年三月三〇日 (一) 一一時五八分 (UTC)[回覆]

爾雅之議

今人多明現代詞, 對古詞不甚解. 能否建"詞=>字列表", 查之既方便, 亦能日後作電腦程式. 以今文之轉文言. 另應建立或網絡連接貼吧之類, 置於首頁, 方便今日問遣詞用字, 方便能力稍差者有地方可論遣詞問題.

遣詞有良处,曰「漢典」,君可百度搜之。--延陵世家 二〇〇九年三月二三日 (一) 一二時一五分 (UTC)[回覆]

余亦近識漢典,似可指詞查義,而倘辭不達意或欲言無詞,似亦力有不足。欲以電腦程序化白話為文言,亦難哉,諸君不聞中外語言翻譯工具常貽笑乎?倘能列出常用古詞,有善大典,何樂不為。夏侯 韜 二〇〇九年三月二四日 (二) 〇一時五〇分 (UTC)[回覆]

然矣。吾作文之時,時有詞窮之感。搜腸刮肚或未有得,勉以義近詞矣。哀哉- -

偶閱《新華字典》之時,常見意賅之字,可以代數|字之詞;又復有成語之意妙者,不勝讚歎也。吾則或未嘗得以識焉。然今人或曰之「繁縟落伍」,或曰之「古舊生僻」,或曰之「繁雜難記」,并以「我手寫我心」之「白話文」者為妙。殊不知今風之一弊為輕古重洋,教育者亦然為之所及,而今漢語愈加西化、日化矣。夫日化者為輕,且其存甚多古辭雅俗,或為{(沒詞了……= =)}。然西化者甚多甚重,考之則英語平民化當不可脫之干係哉。其西化之甚,甚至維基百科。閱之之時,或有覺吃力,定神細視,則見語弊、詞混、文縟之甚也。(如作同“及、和、並、且、與、跟”等;以“是”為“be”而濫用等;棄單字而幾全以雙字為詞砌文等,皆確多有見於維基百科也)

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PS:因不知如何以述編以“中文(zh)”之維基,特以其自稱“維基百科”為之。

Rethliopuks 二〇一一年七月一四日 (四) 〇八時四九分 (UTC)[回覆]

轉了一下……比我想像的嚴重,以前只注意到特別明顯的語弊,現在看真的幾乎每篇都有。

Rethliopuks 二〇一一年七月一四日 (四) 〇九時一四分 (UTC)[回覆]

學生有惑,敬候解答。孫子曰:『兵者,國之大事,死生之地,存亡之道,不可不察也。』此句『地』、『道』作何譯?可有通假?學生愚鈍,不勝感激。Noice Creator 二〇一二年四月二四日 (二) 一二時三九分 (UTC)

自請授分校官

余,夏侯 韜,增簿有日,昨以登簿日積及屬文修葺次積故,合大典舊法,系統自擢為分校官。自思文筆雖澀,正值大典方興之時,當可出綿薄之力。唯此前諸分校俱票選而得,鮮有自擢者,乃語之孔明君。今自請之,冀諸公審之。倘有見教,可至,不勝榮幸之至也。昔日參修之拙文,茲列於夏侯 韜 二〇〇九年三月二八日 (六) 〇八時三〇分 (UTC)[回覆]

夏侯君至德可师,甚有古风。君可屈就,大典幸事!--延陵世家 二〇〇九年三月二八日 (六) 〇八時五六分 (UTC)[回覆]

既七日,無異議,乃任命。--孔明居士 二〇〇九年四月五日 (日) 〇〇時二八分 (UTC)[回覆]

再拜謝焉,不勝榮幸之至也。清明返鄉祭祖,今日方歸也。夏侯 韜 二〇〇九年四月六日 (一) 〇九時五六分 (UTC)[回覆]

奈何有文字不识也

吾天朝湘南人,居嶺南羅霄山之谷間,自幼學新中國之簡字,雖稍大自學老字,奈何幼學之簡字根深,且簡化之字有許以變化,研其形卻不同老字,故而視難矣~ 嗚呼,雖電腦之中有工具,奈何閱讀吃力,雖多閱之後可以增功力,但竊想主事者加以一簡體之裝換之法,以便吾等淺學之徒,可乎?--Jyu..(~福气世界~) 二〇〇九年三月三〇日 (一) 一四時一一分 (UTC)[回覆]

火狐並同文堂,足矣。--孔明居士 二〇〇九年三月三〇日 (一) 一五時五九分 (UTC)[回覆]

亦可用WORD中的简繁转换工具,菜单 次工具-语言-中文简繁转换,可得正簡互換,虽不可稱盡善,然亦可為焉。另,可於極點五筆下載輸入法,此法支持五筆拼音,且有輸簡現繁之效,亦可為之。夏侯 韜 二〇〇九年三月三〇日 (一) 二三時五四分 (UTC)[回覆]

甚繁琐也~维今只当学习了--222.246.204.74 二〇〇九年三月三一日 (二) 〇一時二一分 (UTC)[回覆]

搜 "二簡字列表" 之類, 反向學習, 不足數天, 即可熟悉.
五樓Wolfan謂「簡化之字有許以變化,研其形卻不同老字,故而視難矣~ 嗚呼」,美國a0drtai回應五樓Wolfan曰:吾「電腦之中」有工具,用『臺灣客語英文字拼音』、全球通行電腦鍵盤(key board)KB直接打出『老字』,簡便好用。

關於分校官新作之文

請容許我用白話說 最近作了新文黃興,發現被自動標記為初訂本(autosighed),開始還以為是誤勾了什麼勾,後來翻閱了一下,如薰華先生寫的宋哲元,從記錄上看也是如此,想來大概是大典內部設置的問題。我的意思是,對分校官新撰的文本,也應該經過確認(包括本人確認),才可以標為初訂本。而不是新撰的時候就自動標定為“初定本”,即分校官撰寫的新文,也是默認標為底本,直到分校官另行按下校閱鈕,才可標為初定本。夏侯 韜 二〇〇九年四月八日 (三) 〇七時一五分 (UTC) 又及:大典内要如何链接到 一个条目的“誌”呢?比如如何链接到 黄兴的志 这个页面?夏侯 韜 二〇〇九年四月八日 (三) 〇八時二九分[回覆]


mike.lifegurad者誰? seansoo又何禁焉

近易,有誌禁如斯,不解其故。蓋觀其勛於大典,未違禁也。夏侯 韜 二〇〇九年一〇月一八日 (日) 〇七時三二分 (UTC)[回覆]

  (誌禁);〇三時二三分 . . Mike.lifeguard (議|勛) 禁Seansoo (議|勛)屆永如(禁增簿、止自禁) (vandalism-only account)(UTC)

己丑年募款文宣

有志者,請校。--202.40.137.202 二〇〇九年一一月五日 (四) 一一時〇一分 (UTC)[回覆]

辭舊迎新

恭賀新禧,平安清吉。夏侯 韜 二〇一〇年二月一三日 (六) 〇一時一七分 (UTC)[回覆]

文言白話網上字典

香港城市大學創文言白話網上字典,歡迎參考。--Worrydoes 二〇一〇年三月二三日 (二) 〇四時一四分 (UTC)[回覆]

Wikimania Scholarships

The call for applications for Wikimania Scholarships to attend Wikimania 2010 in Gdansk, Poland (July 9-11) is now open. The Wikimedia Foundation offers Scholarships to pay for selected individuals' round trip travel, accommodations, and registration at the conference. To apply, visit the Wikimania 2010 scholarships information page, click the secure link available there, and fill out the form to apply. For additional information, please visit the Scholarships information and FAQ pages:

Yours very truly, Cary Bass
Volunteer Coordinator
Wikimedia Foundation

維基媒體國際大會

是會,歲歲有之,然未譯其名,言未妥矣。資助,今可謁矣。譯名之事,實宜從速,請有能之士助耳。--J.Wong 二〇一〇年三月二五日 (四) 一〇時一五分 (UTC)[回覆]

connectivity project

Hallo, my name is Anastasiya Lvova, I'm "duty" in Connectivity project. The essence of the "Connectivity" project is to study and enhance the coherence of Wikipedia, or, in other words, to improve hypertext navigation between articles. The project deals with deadends, isolated articles, non-categorized articles, transitivity of the category tree, etc.

We want to work with your language version, but we need configured MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage for it (with direct links to template namespace pages, for example, ru:MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage/de:MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage/fr:MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage). Is it possible to set it up for our usage?

thanks in advance, Lvova 二〇一〇年六月一二日 (六) 一八時三二分 (UTC)[回覆]

欲求有秩職也

鄙人不才,文筆疏漏,然大典今闕漏數處,卷首久不更也,詩詞未嘗新也,當有之文之正典牌子也,不一而足。吾今身於逍遙,可專於大典公務。不知是否可假有秩司權,或自薦為有秩?--司徒伯颜 二〇一〇年九月二五日 (六) 〇六時三六分 (UTC)[回覆]

維基百科已捉襟肘見,況乎大典?--Wasami007 二〇一〇年一〇月五日 (二) 一四時二六分 (UTC)[回覆]
大典為大典,百科為百科,不相妨也,君何出此言?司徒君 二〇一〇年一〇月五日 (二) 二〇時〇九分 (UTC)[回覆]
兩者所言均非誤也。唯所群不群是嘆,是惜。君心之有,確堪贊乎,未如有秩一人足矣。君既逍遙,何如纂文以善其質,增其量?--J.Wong 二〇一〇年一〇月六日 (三) 〇七時五三分 (UTC)[回覆]

Fundraising 2010: Beat Jimmy Challenge

The Fundraising Committee is issuing all interested community members a challenge: we want you to beat Jimmy. The appeal from Jimmy Wales and the corresponding banner have been tested head-to-head with other successful banners, and the results are clear: it's our best performing message... by a lot. This year we have a lofty fundraising goal; we need all of our banners to bring in donations like the Jimmy Appeal, but no one wants to keep the Jimmy banner up for two months. We want to run donor quotes, and other wonderful ideas, but we have to have banners that work as well as or better than the Jimmy appeal.

We've just released the highlights from a donor focus group, and the results of our donor survey. With one month to the launch of the fundraiser, the messages we test must be driven by data from our tests and surveys - we can no longer rely on instinct alone.

We've redesigned our fundraising meta pages with the Jimmy challenge; check out the survey results and propose/discuss banners that reflect these findings. Add the banners you think will 'beat Jimmy' here to be tested Tuesday October 12 against Jimmy. -Dgultekin 二〇一〇年一〇月七日 (四) 〇〇時一一分 (UTC)[回覆]

请删Special:BrokenRedirects内无用页

谢--UAL55 二〇一〇年一〇月一四日 (四) 一二時四二分 (UTC)[回覆]

現今之文言維基大典徽標已舊,應易之

維基大典之新徽標

維基大典早已易新徽標(詳左圖),而文言維基未曾易,僕以為應易之。

文言維基大典之新徽標(僕作之)

僕嘗試作新徽標,另獻於維基共享,詳右圖。僕不才,做工甚拙,望多指教。--Xiamipi2009 二〇一一年一月九日 (日) 〇八時三一分 (UTC)[回覆]

Multilingual Challenge

Please help: replace this red text with a translation of the English message below. Thank you!
Announcing the Derby Multilingual Challenge

This is the first multilingual Wikipedia collaboration. All Wikipedians can take part, in any Wikipedia language. The challenge runs from 1 May until 3 September 2011.
Sign up now!
" Wikipedia is particularly pleased to see that Derby Museums are encouraging the creation of articles in languages other than English." (Jimmy Wales, 14 January 2011)

Andrew Dalby 二〇一一年五月二日 (一) 一四時三八分 (UTC)[回覆]

失纂頁之多寶按鈕

近日,余每登簿欲修大典,於纂頁之頂,未見固有之按鈕(入圖、渡之屬),而於瀏覽器之下則示曰“頁面有錯誤”。設或去簿,以甚匿名修之,竟有之如常。不知何故,請明者惠授復顯之法。夏侯 韜 二〇一一年五月九日 (一) 〇九時一五分 (UTC)[回覆]

余試以火狐,未見此徵,或涉紀錄(Cookies)事,或清理之,或易瀏覽器再試。--孔明居士 二〇一一年五月九日 (一) 一四時五〇分 (UTC)[回覆]

余以IE為之,誠誤也,後經上訴諸元維基,得正解,蓋程式誤夾簿名求頁也,故匿名得顯,而有簿不顯,事涉多語,已於次日正之。夏侯 韜 二〇一一年五月一四日 (六) 〇二時一四分 (UTC)[回覆]

小說人物

紅樓夢章,循中華小說類等,歸藝文志出於史部,竊以為,作序文藝傳承或可入藝文志,然小說人物、小說情節等,宜入集部。譬如賈寶玉當入集部,屬小說人物,蓋書中人物也,紅樓夢入二類,一為史部藝文,一為集部小說。待君等議。夏侯 韜 二〇一一年五月一四日 (六) 〇二時一四分 (UTC)[回覆]

眾舊文

category:史下諸章,分類蕪雜,不循大典成例,譬若三國諸傳,歸諸category:孫吳人,今欲訂之,奈何其章眾多,孔明有秩可有他器逕更之乎?夏侯 韜 二〇一一年五月一六日 (一) 〇七時五六分 (UTC)[回覆]

图片过滤器公投呼吁

根据理事会的要求,维基媒体基金会将举行关于图片过滤器的公投,以决定社群成员是否支持创建一个自愿加入的个人图片过滤器,以方便读者为自己过滤某些特定的图片。

更多的细节和指导性内容将很快发布。公投定于2011年8月12日至27日于中立第三方的服务器上进行。公投的细节、官方负责人员、投票人资格以及其他材料将很快发布在m:Image filter referendum

协调委员会的成员有:
Philippe (WMF)
Cbrown1023
Risker
Mardetanha
PeterSymonds
Robert Harris

外國語表記.

一部文言使用者不讀中國式發音,而我請管理者許多樣表記。

例)

  • 佐治·華盛頓
  • 조지 워싱턴
  • ジョージ・ワシントン
  • George Washington

感謝。

--User:Ty3718 / / 二〇一一年一一月一三日 (日) 〇六時二九分 (UTC)[回覆]

音異而字同。--孔明居士 二〇一一年一一月一三日 (日) 〇六時三九分 (UTC)[回覆]

遷移討論頁何在

似維基百科:移動請求之類爾。“漢魏武王”乃原創研究,曹操無此謬稱,請移至曹操。可参考關於“曹操墓”熱議的述評,檢索國學寶典搜“漢魏武王”,結果0。檢索漢川草廬“漢魏武王”,結果亦0。——星光下的人 二〇一一年一一月一五日 (二) 〇三時〇五分 (UTC)[回覆]

請先議之,再行定論。--孔明居士 二〇一一年一一月一五日 (二) 〇四時四二分 (UTC)[回覆]

又,凡帝王者,大典不以其名立紀,悉以諡號、廟號為紀。--孔明居士 二〇一一年一一月一五日 (二) 〇四時四四分 (UTC)[回覆]

答非所問,何地議之?“非原創研究”乃維基百科方針所在,維基大典別出新裁?“漢魏武王”分明为杜撰之謬稱,与“非原創研究”抵牾。另未見有“大典不以其名立紀,悉以諡號、廟號為紀”此等方針或指引。——星光下的人 二〇一一年一一月一八日 (五) 一〇時三一分 (UTC)[回覆]

漢魏武王,義為漢(代之)魏(國)武王,何來杜撰?--阮薰華 二〇一一年一二月一五日 (四) 一八時五七分 (UTC)[回覆]

不看上文?爾從何古籍尋壹“漢魏武王”?“義為漢(代之)魏(國)武王”乃不折不扣的原創研究。——星光下的人 二〇一一年一二月一七日 (六) 〇三時〇三分 (UTC)[回覆]
吾言不虛,不見下文矣。——星光下的人 二〇一一年一二月二四日 (六) 〇五時五五分 (UTC)[回覆]

今言劉勝,輒言中山靖王,是中山國之王也,是諡曰靖也.入言其操以魏武王,本此也.今所以於大典中冠漢,蓋言其漢朝時之人也.並無不可. user:夏侯韬

user:夏侯韬君所言甚是。--孔明居士 二〇一二年二月二一日 (二) 一五時三八分 (UTC)[回覆]
謬之甚,中山靖王之稱者,史書明載,如:
  • 《史記·五宗世家》:中山靖王勝,以孝景前三年用皇子為中山王。
  • 《漢書·景十三王傳》:孝景皇帝十四男。王皇後生孝武皇帝。栗姬生臨江閔王榮、河間獻王德、臨江哀王閼。程姬生魯共王餘、江都易王非、膠西於王端。賈夫人生趙敬肅王彭祖、中山靖王勝。
  • 《漢書·景十三王傳》:中山靖王勝以孝景前三年立。
  • 《三國誌·蜀書二·先主傳第二》:先主姓劉,諱備,字玄德,涿郡涿縣人,漢景帝子中山靖王勝之後也。

漢魏武王何出?分明為壹維基人之生造,談何“並無不可”?——星光下的人 二〇一二年二月二四日 (五) 二三時二九分 (UTC)[回覆]

星光君既然中山靖王之謂,是以 國+諡 之形可也,故稱操以 魏武王,君必不疑也,揣君所以疑者,冠以漢也,容余釋之。誠如薰華君言,蓋此系萬世之大典也,故須加朝代以名之也,言操以 「漢代」所封之「魏武王」也,雖訖今或無別朝王以魏且諡曰武,不可謂今後皆無也,故用此言。譬如始皇帝,今人皆曰「秦始皇」,二世,則曰「秦二世」,是秦朝之始皇也,是秦朝之二世也,若二世當朝之日,亦不言乃父為「秦始皇」,止曰「始皇帝」,如是而已。其後世史家,冠秦字以明其國(朝代)。或曰太宗,輒不明所指,皆當冠其國號以名,乃知唐太宗名李世民,宋太宗名趙光義,又有唐時人,言世民以唐太宗乎?否也,唐人皆謂其太宗。惟宋以降,乃言唐太宗,而謂光義曰太宗,清以降,則分言唐太宗、宋太宗,蓋當朝太宗,皇太極也……如是而已。試問魏王非漢所封耶?武非漢所説諡耶?此誠漢之事也,此亦漢之人也。我輩皆漢朝後之人,言魏武王,亦恐失其所指,故於大典內冠國號漢以明之。君何用秦始皇,唐太宗,而棄言漢魏武王耶?望君察矜。夏侯 韜 二〇一二年二月二七日 (一) 〇九時二九分 (UTC)[回覆]

汝壹言以蔽之,“皆腦補耳”。自去搜索國學寶典漢川草蘆,有無漢魏武王,又有無秦始皇,唐太宗?汝意漢魏武王,給壹來源行否?“故須加朝代以名之也”為謬法,謬法為何不可以改?君以維基支柱“非原創研究”為戲言耳?——星光下的人 二〇一二年二月二八日 (二) 〇一時四六分 (UTC)[回覆]

君見十六國姚襄之事乎?後秦武昭帝,追諡其兄,亦曰「魏武王」。倘他時立其傳於大典,則何以別於操乎?況後秦武昭帝也者,亦朝代+諡號之用也,君之所以疑此用者,輒言史籍未見,殊不知,大典亦欲以史籍立於後世也,且上溯蠻荒,橫及夷狄,非冠朝代不得別之也。與其泥於古籍,未若共治他章,則大典幸甚。夏侯 韜 二〇一二年二月二八日 (二) 〇二時四一分 (UTC)[回覆]

繼續腦補?敢問“後秦武昭帝”又是何出?曹操於曹魏已然被追封為帝,搜索魏武帝於國學寶典,凡 1084 見,搜索魏武帝於漢川草蘆,凡 152 見,稱“魏武帝”不可?即便不稱魏武帝,稱其本名不可?大典仍是維基百科的壹部分,除非爾更“非原創研究”之共識,否則休提挑戰維基百科支柱之念。——星光下的人 二〇一二年二月二八日 (二) 〇四時二一分 (UTC)[回覆]

後秦武昭帝姚萇,廟號太祖,字景茂,傳見晉書卷一百一十六,亦不必遠征古籍,查維基白話文可得也。襄,萇兄也,萇稱帝,追諡曰魏武王。所以請教者,倘不冠國號(朝代名),則何以別操、襄二人耶? 夏侯 韜 二〇一二年二月二八日 (二) 〇六時三二分 (UTC)[回覆]

請閱讀維基百科:避免自我提及,無任何書籍會做出“後秦武昭帝”此類四不像。吾已言之,曹操定名魏武帝或曹操皆可,漢魏武王则謬不可言。——星光下的人 二〇一二年二月二八日 (二) 〇七時〇五分 (UTC)[回覆]

余所言之主旨者,在萇之兄亦諡魏武,請君明示何以辨操、襄二人也。然君若以“後秦武昭帝”不可,則“唐玄宗明皇帝”亦不得書矣。料君必言,某稱,可見於某書也,然其句式可用,則用於漢壽亭侯可,何不可用於漢魏武王耶?故余指君恐有“泥古”之嫌耳。若不信且观此清世舊圖,乃知冠國號+尊號+王、爵諸銜之句式,誠非吾輩所首創也,故“漢壽亭侯”可也,“唐玄宗明皇帝”可也、“後秦武昭帝”可也、“大清當今慈禧XXXX皇太后”可也、“漢魏武王”固亦可也。夏侯 韜 二〇一二年二月二八日 (二) 〇七時三四分 (UTC)[回覆]

用名辨操、襄二人即可。吾不泥古,尔给今人称“漢魏武王”可靠来源亦可,来源何在!?另,在維基大典谈泥古,何其可笑。——星光下的人 二〇一二年二月二八日 (二) 〇八時二一分 (UTC)[回覆]

余法古,故累語君言,所謂漢魏武王之名,實“朝代加封國加諡號加爵位”之句式也,此亦古書之法也,此法固非我輩首創,誠非君所謂“原創研究”者也;然余不泥古,故以君之孜孜問四字出處實屬不必也。既得漢壽亭侯等名之法,又何慮“漢魏武帝”無本所出哉?實有本也,余之本,古之法也。夏侯 韜 二〇一二年二月二八日 (二) 一二時四一分 (UTC) 君計較於“漢魏武王”之所出,而置余析其理而不顧,非泥者何?夏侯 韜 二〇一二年二月二八日 (二) 一二時四四分 (UTC)[回覆]

吾誠為對牛彈琴,爾所謂分析,無壹字不為腦補,請閱維基百科:非原創研究維基百科:可供查證維基百科:列明來源。無源之本,焉敢胡扯古法?古之称曹操,或魏武帝或魏武王或魏武,就是无一窍不通的“漢魏武王”。——星光下的人 二〇一二年二月二八日 (二) 一三時二七分 (UTC)[回覆]
若用爾等所謂“古法”,周文王要變商周文公,努爾哈赤要變明天聰汗後金天聰汗,何其謬?——星光下的人 (talk) 二〇一二年三月一日 (四) 〇七時五六分 (UTC)[回覆]

It's about a question of grammer but not any old usage; therefore, it's not a question.--阮薰華 二〇一二年二月二九日 (三) 一四時四九分 (UTC)[回覆]

又想及壹人將被爾等古法糟蹋:周公。依爾等所謂古法,其將稱周周文公,此何物?——星光下的人 (talk) 二〇一二年三月四日 (日) 一二時五三分 (UTC)[回覆]

Open Call for 2012 Wikimedia Fellowship Applicants

I apologize that you are receiving this message in English. Please help translate it.

  • Do you want to help attract new contributors to Wikimedia projects?
  • Do you want to improve retention of our existing editors?
  • Do you want to strengthen our community by diversifying its base and increasing the overall number of excellent participants around the world?

The Wikimedia Foundation is seeking Community Fellows and project ideas for the Community Fellowship Program. A Fellowship is a temporary position at the Wikimedia Foundation in order to work on a specific project or set of projects. Submissions for 2012 are encouraged to focus on the theme of improving editor retention and increasing participation in Wikimedia projects. If interested, please submit a project idea or apply to be a fellow by January 15, 2012. Please visit https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Fellowships for more information.

Thanks!

--Siko Bouterse, Head of Community Fellowships, Wikimedia Foundation 二〇一一年一二月二二日 (四) 〇三時一一分 (UTC)[回覆]

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Announcing Wikipedia 1.19 beta

Wikimedia Foundation is getting ready to push out 1.19 to all the WMF-hosted wikis. As we finish wrapping up our code review, you can test the new version right now on beta.wmflabs.org. For more information, please read the release notes or the start of the final announcement.

The following are the areas that you will probably be most interested in:

  • Faster loading of javascript files makes dependency tracking more important.
  • New common*.css files usable by skins instead of having to copy piles of generic styles from MonoBook or Vector's css.
  • The default user signature now contains a talk link in addition to the user link.
  • Searching blocked usernames in block log is now clearer.
  • Better timezone recognition in user preferences.
  • Improved diff readability for colorblind people.
  • The interwiki links table can now be accessed also when the interwiki cache is used (used in the API and the Interwiki extension).
  • More gender support (for instance in logs and user lists).
  • Language converter improved, e.g. it now works depending on the page content language.
  • Time and number-formatting magic words also now depend on the page content language.
  • Bidirectional support further improved after 1.18.

Report any problems on the labs beta wiki and we'll work to address them before they software is released to the production wikis.

Note that this cluster does have SUL but it is not integrated with SUL in production, so you'll need to create another account. You should avoid using the same password as you use here. — Global message delivery 二〇一二年一月一五日 (日) 一六時四一分 (UTC)

MediaWiki 1.19

(Apologies if this message isn't in your language.) The Wikimedia Foundation is planning to upgrade MediaWiki (the software powering this wiki) to its latest version this month. You can help to test it before it is enabled, to avoid disruption and breakage. More information is available in the full announcement. Thank you for your understanding.

Guillaume Paumier, via the Global message delivery system (wrong page? You can fix it.). 二〇一二年二月一二日 (日) 一五時二四分 (UTC)[回覆]

請授僕Justincheng12345-bot之權

請授僕Justincheng12345-bot之權,以助大典連外語矣。

另,觀大典門可羅雀,哀之。願它日能達永樂大典之量,介時,賀之。Justincheng12345 (talk) 二〇一二年四月一七日 (二) 一〇時五八分 (UTC)[回覆]

君不聞英文維基之篇幅已超永樂大典乎?--L TruthSon (talk) 二〇一二年八月一三日 (一) 〇五時五四分 (UTC)[回覆]

Update on IPv6

(Apologies if this message isn't in your language. Please consider translating it, as well as the full version of this announcement on Meta)

The Wikimedia Foundation is planning to do limited testing of IPv6 on June 2-3. If there are not too many problems, we may fully enable IPv6 on World IPv6 day (June 6), and keep it enabled.

What this means for your project:

  • At least on June 2-3, 2012, you may see a small number of edits from IPv6 addresses, which are in the form "2001:0db8:85a3:0000:0000:8a2e:0370:7334". See e.g. w:en:IPv6 address. These addresses should behave like any other IP address: You can leave messages on their talk pages; you can track their contributions; you can block them. (See the full version of this announcement for notes on range blocks.)
  • In the mid term, some user scripts and tools will need to be adapted for IPv6.
  • We suspect that IPv6 usage is going to be very low initially, meaning that abuse should be manageable, and we will assist in the monitoring of the situation.

Read the full version of this announcement on how to test the behavior of IPv6 with various tools and how to leave bug reports, and to find a fuller analysis of the implications of the IPv6 migration.

--Erik Möller, VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation 二〇一二年六月二日 (六) 〇一時三一分 (UTC)[回覆]

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2011 Picture of the Year competition

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Dear Wikimedians,

Wikimedia Commons is happy to announce that the 2011 Picture of the Year competition is now open. We are interested in your opinion as to which images qualify to be the Picture of the Year 2011. Any user registered at Commons or a Wikimedia wiki SUL-related to Commons with more than 75 edits before 1 April 2012 (UTC) is welcome to vote and, of course everyone is welcome to view!

Detailed information about the contest can be found at the introductory page.

About 600 of the best of Wikimedia Common's photos, animations, movies and graphics were chosen –by the international Wikimedia Commons community– out of 12 million files during 2011 and are now called Featured Pictures.

From professional animal and plant shots to breathtaking panoramas and skylines, restorations of historically relevant images, images portraying the world's best architecture, maps, emblems, diagrams created with the most modern technology, and impressive human portraits, Commons Features Pictures of all flavors.

For your convenience, we have sorted the images into topic categories.

We regret that you receive this message in English; we intended to use banners to notify you in your native language but there was both, human and technical resistance.

See you on Commons! --Picture of the Year 2011 Committee 二〇一二年六月五日 (二) 一八時四六分 (UTC)

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Changing wgLanguageCode from zh-classical to lzh

Hello (sorry for writing in English). The language code of this wiki is one of several that are deprecated. This wiki, zh-classical.wikipedia.org should somewhere in the future be renamed to lzh.wikipedia.org (see bug 28443). This can still take a long time before actually happening, but as a small step I submitted a configuration change to update $wgLanguageCode from "zh-classical" to "lzh". The only visible difference this should make is that this changes the HTML "lang" attribute. This change has already been done on als.wikipedia.org (als -> gsw), as an example. If you have any questions/concerns, please contact me on meta:User talk:SPQRobin. Regards, SPQRobin (talk) 二〇一二年六月一三日 (三) 一八時〇六分 (UTC)[回覆]

戰爭、戰役 

某才疏學淺,望諸君相教。中國古文多用「某某之戰」而言,而西方者,多言「某某戰役」。修大典之時,如「滑鐵盧戰役」,當何以言?「滑鐵盧之戰」乎?或「滑鐵盧之役」乎?如戰爭、會戰等,文言中又以何言之?煩諸君指教。 儒雅曼成 (talk) 二〇一二年七月五日 (四) 〇八時四八分 (UTC)[回覆]

自甲午戰後,始有戰役一詞。會戰一詞,則古已有之。《史記‧項羽本紀》:「漢二年冬,項羽遂北至城陽,田榮亦將兵會戰。」惟為動詞,非名詞也。然而,今戰役、會戰諸詞,屢用於西洋戰事、亦見諸於民國、共和戰事,故宜從今,以防亂淆。而中華甲午以前,則宜以某某之戰名之。--孔明居士 (talk) 二〇一二年七月六日 (五) 〇〇時一七分 (UTC)[回覆]

漢化請求!

纂大典之士,恐雜文白、西字句者,甚善矣。然尋文者所見,洋詞「Search」也,非方塊字之「尋」。此非西化乎?諸如此者,不可勝數,宜漢之。

另有漢數字若100者,不示「一百」而示「一〇〇」,蓋機械譯也!況古之數字,未嘗有「〇」,查之,雖為漢字,實乃「0」之全形,阿拉伯數之漢化也。「零」為正也。凡例有言「漢數之」,故「〇」不宜入文。

以上二誤,雖小甚,然有不識者,不能明之,以為濫造,豈不悲哉!望儘快正之,以彰傳統,不至於查英漢而纂大典也。H2NCH2COOH (talk) 二〇一二年七月九日 (一) 一五時一三分 (UTC)[回覆]

依在下拙見,「〇」者實為漢字也。依白話維基「中文數字」條目所言,「〇」為表阿拉伯數字「0」小寫之標準寫法,而「零」則為大寫也。僅以「二〇一二」為例,凡任何輸入法,數字模式下輸入「2012」,均可得「二〇一二」「贰零壹贰」二結果,可證「〇」為小寫而「零」為大寫之理也。「〇」者乃我中華先賢所創,有何不妥?如以「零」入小寫,則為「二零一二」,以目視之則頓覺怪異,恐為不標準之式。望兄臺明鑒。--L TruthSon (talk) 二〇一二年八月一三日 (一) 〇五時四七分 (UTC)[回覆]

明矣。在下無知,幸勿為過!然「Search」之屬何以漢化?H2NCH2COOH (talk) 二〇一二年一一月九日 (五) 一六時三二分 (UTC)[回覆]

Help decide about more than $10 million of Wikimedia donations in the coming year

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Hi,

As many of you are aware, the Wikimedia Board of Trustees recently initiated important changes in the way that money is being distributed within the Wikimedia movement. As part of this, a new community-led "Funds Dissemination Committee" (FDC) is currently being set up. Already in 2012-13, its recommendations will guide the decisions about the distribution of over 10 million US dollars among the Foundation, chapters and other eligible entities.

Now, seven capable, knowledgeable and trustworthy community members are sought to volunteer on the initial Funds Dissemination Committee. It is expected to take up its work in September. In addition, a community member is sought to be the Ombudsperson for the FDC process. If you are interested in joining the committee, read the call for volunteers. Nominations are planned to close on August 15.

--Anasuya Sengupta, Director of Global Learning and Grantmaking, Wikimedia Foundation 二〇一二年七月一九日 (四) 二〇時三一分 (UTC)[回覆]

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唔有疑问

好吧我文言文不行。。。我想问的是为啥没有竖着的维基,阿拉伯语言的维基都反过来了,文言文的不能。。。。--Qa003qa003 (talk) 二〇一二年八月一二日 (日) 〇五時四八分 (UTC)[回覆]

竖着的话看的过于别扭……/豎著的話看的過於彆扭……/若以豎排,則視之覺怪異也。 --L TruthSon (talk) 二〇一二年八月一三日 (一) 〇五時五〇分 (UTC)[回覆]

另外似乎软件不怎么支持……/另外似乎軟件不怎麼支持……/又則其軟件不支持也。--L TruthSon (talk) 二〇一二年八月一三日 (一) 〇五時五二分 (UTC)[回覆]

我还有有一个问题,为何不引路简繁转换?--Qa003qa003 (talk) 二〇一二年八月二一日 (二) 〇九時二七分 (UTC)[回覆]

More opportunities for you to access free research databases

The quest to get editors free access to the sources they need is gaining momentum.

  • Credo Reference provides full-text online versions of nearly 1200 published reference works from more than 70 publishers in every major subject, including general and subject dictionaries and encyclopedias. There are 125 full Credo 350 accounts available, with access even to 100 more references works than in Credo's original donation. All you need is a 1-year old account with 1000 edits. Sign up here.
  • HighBeam Research has access to over 80 million articles from 6,500 publications including newspapers, magazines, academic journals, newswires, trade magazines and encyclopedias. Thousands of new articles are added daily, and archives date back over 25 years covering a wide range of subjects and industries. There are 250 full access 1-year accounts available. All you need is a 1-year old account with 1000 edits. Sign up here.
  • Questia is an online research library for books and journal articles focusing on the humanities and social sciences. Questia has curated titles from over 300 trusted publishers including 77,000 full-text books and 4 million journal, magazine, and newspaper articles, as well as encyclopedia entries. There will soon be 1000 full access 1-year accounts available. All you need is a 1-year old account with 1000 edits. Sign up here.

You might also be interested in the idea to create a central Wikipedia Library where approved editors would have access to all participating resource donors. Add your feedback to the Community Fellowship proposal. Apologies for the English message (translate here). Go sign up :) --Ocaasi (talk) 二〇一二年八月一六日 (四) 〇二時二七分 (UTC)

Request for Comment: Legal Fees Assistance Program

I apologize for addressing you in English. I would be grateful if you could translate this message into your language.

The Wikimedia Foundation is conducting a request for comment on a proposed program that could provide legal assistance to users in specific support roles who are named in a legal complaint as a defendant because of those roles. We wanted to be sure that your community was aware of this discussion and would have a chance to participate in that discussion.

If this page is not the best place to publicize this request for comment, please help spread the word to those who may be interested in participating. (If you'd like to help translating the "request for comment", program policy or other pages into your language and don't know how the translation system works, please come by my user talk page at m:User talk:Mdennis (WMF). I'll be happy to assist or to connect you with a volunteer who can assist.)

Thank you! --Mdennis (WMF)二〇一二年九月六日 (四) 〇二時一八分 (UTC)[回覆]

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Wikidata is getting close to a first roll-out

(Apologies if this message isn't in your language.)

As some of you might already have heard Wikimedia Deutschland is working on a new Wikimedia project. It is called m:Wikidata. The goal of Wikidata is to become a central data repository for the Wikipedias, its sister projects and the world. In the future it will hold data like the number of inhabitants of a country, the date of birth of a famous person or the length of a river. These can then be used in all Wikimedia projects and outside of them.

The project is divided into three phases and "we are getting close to roll-out the first phase". The phases are:

  1. language links in the Wikipedias (making it possible to store the links between the language editions of an article just once in Wikidata instead of in each linked article)
  2. infoboxes (making it possible to store the data that is currently in infoboxes in one central place and share the data)
  3. lists (making it possible to create lists and similar things based on queries to Wikidata so they update automatically when new data is added or modified)

It'd be great if you could join us, test the demo version, provide feedback and take part in the development of Wikidata. You can find all the relevant information including an FAQ and sign-up links for our on-wiki newsletter on the Wikidata page on Meta.

For further discussions please use this talk page (if you are uncomfortable writing in English you can also write in your native language there) or point me to the place where your discussion is happening so I can answer there.

--Lydia Pintscher 二〇一二年九月一〇日 (一) 一三時四四分 (UTC)[回覆]

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可以自己在条目中妄稱正典的么?

IP用户未经讨论通过即加正典标签[三]--Skyfiler (talk) 二〇一二年九月一一日 (二) 一八時一四分 (UTC)[回覆]

何謂底本,今本者?

眾條目諸頂之右有一小欖,言此為底本,未經審校,此何謂也?-----無命燕居

我正式向編輯日本宅男文化者宣戰

維基大典不是你們隨意編輯三教九流之事的地方,他應帶有純粹的漢文化性質,若要編輯這些條目請去中文維基,至少我絕不容忍這些東西存在于文言版中--無命燕居

白話維基大典有言,「海納百川,有容乃大」,文言亦然。大典為天下所共有,非爾之獨有!今日爾反日,明日我反美,則何文可入?!H2NCH2COOH (talk) 二〇一二年一一月九日 (五) 一六時一六分 (UTC)[回覆]

甘氨酸君所言甚是,尚乞三思。--新雅竒言 (talk) 二〇一二年一一月一〇日 (六) 〇三時二〇分 (UTC)[回覆]

Upcoming software changes - please report any problems

(Apologies if this message isn't in your language. Please consider translating it)

All Wikimedia wikis - including this one - will soon be upgraded with new and possibly disruptive code. This process starts today and finishes on October 24 (see the upgrade schedule & code details).

Please watch for problems with:

  • revision diffs
  • templates
  • CSS and JavaScript pages (like user scripts)
  • bots
  • PDF export
  • images, video, and sound, especially scaling sizes
  • the CologneBlue skin

If you notice any problems, please report problems at our defect tracker site. You can test for possible problems at test2.wikipedia.org and mediawiki.org, which have already been updated.

Thanks! With your help we can find problems fast and get them fixed faster.

Sumana Harihareswara, Wikimedia Foundation Engineering Community Manager (talk) 二〇一二年一〇月一六日 (二) 〇三時二〇分 (UTC)[回覆]

P.S.: For the regular, smaller MediaWiki updates every two weeks, please watch this schedule.

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Fundraising localization: volunteers from outside the USA needed

Please translate for your local community

Hello All,

The Wikimedia Foundation's Fundraising team have begun our 'User Experience' project, with the goal of understanding the donation experience in different countries outside the USA and enhancing the localization of our donation pages. I am searching for volunteers to spend 30 minutes on a Skype chat with me, reviewing their own country's donation pages. It will be done on a 'usability' format (I will ask you to read the text and go through the donation flow) and will be asking your feedback in the meanwhile.

The only pre-requisite is for the volunteer to actually live in the country and to have access to at least one donation method that we offer for that country (mainly credit/debit card, but also real-time banking like IDEAL, E-wallets, etc...) so we can do a live test and see if the donation goes through. All volunteers will be reimbursed of the donations that eventually succeed (and they will be low amounts, like 1-2 dollars)

By helping us you are actually helping thousands of people to support our mission of free knowledge across the world. Please sing up and help us with our 'User Experience' project! :) If you are interested (or know of anyone who could be) please email ppena@wikimedia.org. All countries needed (excepting USA)!

Thanks!
Pats Pena
Global Fundraising Operations Manager, Wikimedia Foundation

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关于肯定词的用法

现在看到多数人用矣字代替也字来做肯定词,这个是不对的,矣字多表示“了”如吾命休矣,以及动作结束,不表形容词肯定,我的命要终结“了”,不能说如:言未妥矣(话还没有变得合适“了”)语义不通。 还有在文句结尾加”焉“表示在这里,如“如今迁此,乃家焉(今天迁来这里,于是便在这里住下了)”

--此“矣”“焉”者,非語助乎?嘆詞耳。又如吾此“耳”,可是言聽聲之物?非哉。(而至於此“矣”,小生愚見,似有言不能確述之妙感異味攜於之,略異“也”矣。

--省繁未登錄,見諒。

曹操谥号

汉故魏武王操,这个说法对于汉朝来说没有错误,汉是国号,武是谥号,魏是封国号。王是爵位。 之前有举例如”周周文公“者,差矣,周公封国为鲁,谥号为“周”故当为“周鲁周公”简称“鲁周公”如同燕召公一般

關於日本文化的一個想法

這裡我用白話比較好理解,爲什麽很多人喜歡現在日本文化呢?看動漫當然是一個理由,但我不是討論這個的材料。對於另一個理由:日本保留了中國失去的事物,這個可以小論一下,中國失去了什麽? 首先是古跡,唐代的長安早已消逝于長河很久了,目前的西安是明西安城,而洛陽則形同廢墟(我今年到訪時,破敗不堪),目前所有稱作唐朝修建的建築,除大小雁塔以外,或許還有,然而屈指可數。鮮有古跡可以憑弔,怎有情感能產生呢。。。 再者,很多人認為日本文化很高雅,這是最諷刺的一點,因為日本的公卿文化(藤原氏)完全來自魏晉六朝至唐末的王謝,崔盧,韋杜,裴蕭等(門閥大族),唐不是由科舉人組成的朝代,所謂自隋朝開始科舉是荒謬的,門閥勢力在唐末仍控制朝廷官爵的敘任及繼承,科舉人在當時只能在節度使的幕府里任小官,而節度使其實也是武士道的發源。如果我們能好好研究唐史,更本不會起崇拜日本貴族的心。只要仔細一看,從三國末到唐末,上述家族的名字赫赫于史書。(盧植,王導,謝安,裴度,蕭統,蕭瑀,韋應物)等等。我在近日編寫的白馬之禍是使世族敗落的主因,朱溫將唐末貴族殺盡后,中國再無真正之門閥。而宋代科舉的開明也是因門閥滅絕的緣故。 所以若是有心人,衣冠公卿五家七姓皆存於史書,他們的功績只是被埋沒了(特別是裴度,裴世清(日和里還有這個人。。。),蕭統,整個崔氏家族。。。。。。。。很多) 好為之,好為之 --User: Benjamin Jiperus

  • 卿誤我意矣,某于斯所言,意在曉眾人我中華之舊事,尚有所知者,宜先成,方外之事,如日本國,由緒皆源我國,非自大也,殆我王化能服人故。User:Benjamin Jiperus

諸兄台,某以為

文言之編篡,非能者不可也,諸君於此皆能者。然終需時日,加之思慮,方能顧全文法而後下筆,諸君可謂勞矣。---User:Benjamin Jiperus


弟不才,自荐为分校管,賴諸君言,能則任之,無則加勉

此條發言望孔明居士察之。

今或有文業已完備而不能校者,予嘗惜之。Eric君有所見教,然不能往往而在。是故予欲為充棟之材,盡己所能。

諸君文言編輯,一字一句,思慮所出,皆心勞也。予以為可先修繕,然後呈于分校,而得定本。分校權限事關重大,是故予當審慎,日常撰寫,比弗擅用。

動漫之編輯,予雖不取,斷無所增損,欲撰者無礙。編修完整者,亦為一貢獻也。

User:Benjamin Jiperus 謹具其言

  • 孔明兄能识予陋文,幸甚!又薰華君鱼雁可通,乐得赐教,今当为玉石,切磋琢磨,再拜谢焉。User:Benjamin Jiperus

(!) 愚以爲

葉氏有心文言,作文一日千里,亦大典之幸。而某曾予之論,觀其所言,誠未悉大典律法,其言悉在[四]。不知律法,如何行校?某昨夜於群內與薰華君議及此,吾君可往察之。分校如點將,須慎又慎之。司徒某 (talk) 二〇一二年一〇月二九日 (一) 二〇時五一分 (UTC)[回覆]

余附司徒兄之議,葉兄或當細察大典之律法,毋勞形於所謂正道旁門之爭,亦息「妄改」之怨。夏侯 韜 (talk) 二〇一二年一〇月三〇日 (二) 〇八時〇九分 (UTC)[回覆]

可笑者無予欺

可笑者,汝等何勞?動漫編輯不校而正常編輯屢挫,依一人之言而求大同,是為霸道,人不能相待以敬,官僚主義者,無吾等欺。-----User:Benjamin Jiperus

吾人仍將編輯,但欲獨裁者,予誓不與交,MS少女,放手銃時倒用處頗大!

予編輯自樂,那里還要看爾等臉色?

爾等平日無功,清談終日,魏晉風骨喝!

狂言編輯自樂者,豈有為公之心?無為公之心,豈有貢獻?所貢者汝一己私心爾。大典未禁何不可書,禁者若汝肆意亂書,屢犯律令者爾。司徒某 (talk) 二〇一二年一一月五日 (一) 二三時一八分 (UTC)[回覆]

汝既非分校,亦非管理,有力則獻,無力則退。察爾之功績,不及吾十一,何不勤進?? User:Benjamin Jiperus

一己之心,列舉!!,若不能,自便!

沒有能力就不要亂說話,我看的就是凡例,你少給我定律法,自己當自己什麽?

何不可書?我哪裡敢禁止你啊?你自己去編輯啊!

本人在此再次申明!我所編輯的大多為基礎條目,我也不能禁止別人編寫動漫,“大人”們,有什麽看不過去,何至如此,至於這個司徒某,看過他的攻跡就知道,用戶面列的大多沒編輯過,勳里都是其他的編輯,尚不過百次


凡例是大典之例,以上有維基五柱,各種原則格式律例種種,非十條凡例所概。爾若不識,可往觀。動輒「宣戰」,屢出狂言,凡例亦許之?

大躍進,大煉鋼,赤膽紅心,煉出萬噸廢鐵,亦是大大功績,持之更可「超英趕美」,一日千字,盡書囈語,亦可謂「××主義建設新高潮」矣。司徒某 (talk) 二〇一二年一一月六日 (二) 〇〇時三五分 (UTC)[回覆]

可以了,我少编一点,免得您不开心。 User:Benjamin Jiperus

請禁user:toffee2008以謝大典

破壞大典,妄改粵語夏侯 韜 (talk) 二〇一二年一一月八日 (四) 〇九時一四分 (UTC)[回覆]

可有誰人易之乎

大典卷首, 細審之, 其上之背景水印是舊徽記也。惜余不識CSS之道, 不能改之以新logo, 孰能乎。

新logo水印, 兹其一版也。File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-200px-transparent.png持中人 (talk) 二〇一二年一一月一六日 (五) 〇七時四〇分 (UTC)[回覆]

就近日各項文章及分類諸事宜商議

大典近日再現生氣,實屬可喜。惟文章編纂、分類歸屬諸事宜,亦見爭議。為圖一法,以為後效,有請諸位暢抒己見,雕琢再三。若達共識,當以遵行;苟無,則暫復原,他日再議。--孔明居士 (talk) 二〇一二年一二月二八日 (五) 〇七時一三分 (UTC)[回覆]

--Wusizhe (talk) 二〇一二年一二月二八日 (五) 〇九時四三分 (UTC)[回覆]

一、近日生氣者,似單騎亂闖爾,破壞秩序,似功實禍。

二、有鑑世情,大典實為我輩治之,我輩未及廿人,凡事先論再行,亦不費時,專立一法之事,可待他日興隆,無法不可治時再論。

三、薰華君所製條目指引,堪為治文大綱。會館及群中歷年討論,亦可暫為文法(如會館之論曹操名法、群中論譯名法),可設備忘記之,他日有爭拗可引之。

四、今世文言無一法,而大典秩序有法,五柱六法通行全域,爬格動物,應循而行,不應妄作。

司徒某 (talk) 二〇一二年一二月二九日 (六) 〇二時一四分 (UTC)[回覆]

一 大典不可有黨爭,司徒此言煽動人意,何謂吾輩他輩乎,江山代有才人出,薰華君有功大典,吾亦參照其制,然分類之處,多有混亂者,蓋大典之不足也,故吾之改動多以歸根循源為要義,其以本非是類者,攷以他類,以正其類別。凡此改動,皆從薰華君舊制,子云:過則勿憚改,斯之謂也,何謂破壞秩序乎?倘因循為之,不加修整,他日積累如山,更生不便矣。

二 此條言分類事:建議如下:子部之東方哲學,語義不清,既非中國哲學,故此云阿拉伯、波斯哲學乎?抑或韓、日、越三國之學乎?曰若漢文三國之學,大抵以儒學為重,似可歸入中國哲學。唯日本漢化未深,多有妙思,一部可歸入東方哲學。曰若阿拉伯、波斯二邦,可歸入東方哲學矣,惟波斯古與希臘通,其哲學希臘化甚深,宜加考證。----若此類頗雜,吾人以為宜下加伊斯蘭哲學以辯之

三:建議給歷代大臣上個模板,因為很多大臣都有諡號及官職、封號,這樣比較正式、清爽。 User:Benjamin Jiperus (User talk:Benjamin Jiperus)

設立大典榮譽制度

昔日翰林,設掌院學士、侍讀學士、侍講學士、侍讀、修撰、檢討、編修、典簿、待詔、庶吉士各職,大典或可參考,以勵人才。

初入大典,奉獻心力、貢獻文章達月餘者,可稱庶吉士。堅持半載,除待詔。滿歲,猶能善治文章者,除典簿,可選分校官;得眾人同意者,授同分校官職權。至年半,升編修。足二歲,除檢討。三載以降,仍在大典奉獻心力者,任修撰,可選總校官;得眾人同意者,授同總校官職權。至於待讀及以上之職稱,主從之意過重,不宜採用。

以上純屬個人建議,拋磚引玉,望諸君一齊商議。望能確立制度,使新人可得奮進目標,留效大典;並能減輕爭議,和衷共濟。--孔明居士 (talk) 二〇一二年一二月二八日 (五) 一三時一五分 (UTC)[回覆]

自提案以來,已逾一旬,未有異議,乃立此制,以勵同人。--孔明居士 (talk) 二〇一三年一月九日 (三) 一一時三六分 (UTC)[回覆]

  • 且慢

議制過旬,未曾回應,實某之過。竊以為勳制實善,而立法諸項如頭銜、評議、選舉者,設立須慎。何不先行討論於群中,與眾議定各細部,制立法典以行之?司徒某 (talk) 二〇一三年一月九日 (三) 二一時二五分 (UTC)[回覆]

Be a Wikimedia fundraising "User Experience" volunteer!

Thank you to everyone who volunteered last year on the Wikimedia fundraising 'User Experience' project. We have talked to many different people in different countries and their feedback has helped us immensely in restructuring our pages. If you haven't heard of it yet, the 'User Experience' project has the goal of understanding the donation experience in different countries (outside the USA) and enhancing the localization of our donation pages.

I am (still) searching for volunteers to spend some time on a Skype chat with me, reviewing their own country's donation pages. It will be done on a 'usability' format (I will ask you to read the text and go through the donation flow) and will be asking your feedback in the meanwhile.

The only pre-requisite is for the volunteer to actually live in the country and to have access to at least one donation method that we offer for that country (mainly credit/debit card, but also real time banking like IDEAL, E-wallets, etc...) so we can do a live test and see if the donation goes through. **All volunteers will be reimbursed of the donations that eventually succeed (and they will be very low amounts, like 1-2 dollars)**

By helping us you are actually helping thousands of people to support our mission of free knowledge across the world. If you are interested (or know of anyone who could be) please email ppena@wikimedia.org. All countries needed (excepting USA)!!

Thanks!

Pats Pena
Global Fundraising Operations Manager, Wikimedia Foundation

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縱排相關

文筆不佳,且為便理士,述以白話,文人幸勿為過。

文言豎版由於技術原因,一直未能實現,唯詩詞結構簡單,可以正常使用。但這個「偽縱排」並不完善:

  • 部分設備(手機、電腦Maxthon瀏覽器等)上,全形(陸:全角)空格在前後格式相同(均為超連結或均為文本)時才正常,一旦前面是文本,後面是連結,就格式錯亂,中間的空格無故消失,交界處二字橫向黏合然後才繼續向下排
  • 文本和連結直接接觸亦然,例如我看到的User:Itsmine就凌亂不堪

此景置於卷首,實有傷風化。為此建議:

  • 兩端格式不同的全形空格,在其兩端各入一半形(半角)空格
  • 於文本與連結中間插入一半形空格

這樣就能避免錯亂,儘管不知其所以然,但它確實奏效

另,是否覺得現在的{{Vtext}}縱向字距過大?其實可以用HTML的line-height參數解決,個人認為1.2em是最合適的(字距不會太大,且在設備無法顯示縱排時閱讀不至於太費力)

現在的效果:

蘭亭集序
永和九年
歲在癸丑
暮春之初
會于會稽山陰之蘭亭
脩禊事也
羣賢畢至
少長咸集

修改後效果:

蘭亭集序
永和九年
歲在癸丑
暮春之初
會于會稽山陰之蘭亭
脩禊事也
羣賢畢至
少長咸集

是否需要修改(直接改{{Vtext}})?--H2NCH2COOH二〇一三年一月一四日 (一) 一一時五二分 (UTC)[回覆]

余以chrome察之,不見分別。惟足下一試無妨,且試改余齋,敬候大作!--孔明居士 (talk) 二〇一三年一月一四日 (一) 一三時〇七分 (UTC)[回覆]

可矣,見余沙盒。又,替頓號「、」以點「・」可乎?此日本之頓號也,假之無傷大雅,若示天朝之頓號以簡體中文系統,則位於左下,甚是怪異。--H2NCH2COOH二〇一三年一月一四日 (一) 一六時〇〇分 (UTC)[回覆]

甚善!疇日習用linux,不覺有誤,今用windows,始知大異!至於頓號之事,若僅易於直排模式,余無異議。--孔明居士 (talk) 二〇一三年一月一五日 (二) 一二時一六分 (UTC)[回覆]

又,關引號似有移位,可正否﹖--孔明居士 (talk) 二〇一三年一月一五日 (二) 一二時一八分 (UTC)[回覆]

吾以手機示,不覺。今爾之齋唯句讀皆示於行右,此句點初入我朝之形也,雖非誤,然字點重疊,視之怪異甚矣,蓋文言自古無句讀之誌,替以空格可乎?
又,可假白話之轉換予我文言所用乎?遇連結則空格於前後,見半形西文則替以全形,僅縱書用之(入轉換之器於縱排模板),則源碼終碼之示皆無不便。--H2NCH2COOH二〇一三年一月一五日 (二) 一五時二七分 (UTC)[回覆]

置世事於卷首

今視卷首,比於白話之版,則空空然,且所示皆陳文舊事。置維基大典:世事之文可乎?H2NCH2COOH二〇一三年一月一七日 (四) 〇五時一五分 (UTC)[回覆]

Wikimedia sites to move to primary data center in Ashburn, Virginia. Read-only mode expected.

(Apologies if this message isn't in your language.) Next week, the Wikimedia Foundation will transition its main technical operations to a new data center in Ashburn, Virginia, USA. This is intended to improve the technical performance and reliability of all Wikimedia sites, including this wiki. There will be some times when the site will be in read-only mode, and there may be full outages; the current target windows for the migration are January 22nd, 23rd and 24th, 2013, from 17:00 to 01:00 UTC (see other timezones on timeanddate.com). More information is available in the full announcement.

If you would like to stay informed of future technical upgrades, consider becoming a Tech ambassador and joining the ambassadors mailing list. You will be able to help your fellow Wikimedians have a voice in technical discussions and be notified of important decisions.

Thank you for your help and your understanding.

Guillaume Paumier, via the Global message delivery system (wrong page? You can fix it.). 二〇一三年一月一九日 (六) 一五時四九分 (UTC)[回覆]

1,000,000 articles on it:wiki!

Please translate in your language
Buongiorno a tutti! Oggi l'edizione in lingua italiana di Wikipedia ha raggiunto il milione di voci, siete tutti invitati a festeggiare con noi e a lasciare un messaggio qui, ciao!
Good morning to all! Italian Wikipedia reaches one million articles today, come party with us, and leave here a message to support our community! Have a nice day!
Wikipédia en italien atteint le million d'articles! Appel à tous les bénévoles et les internautes, Wikipédiens ou pas: la version italienne de Wikipédia atteint le million d'articles ce matin, on fait la fête! Vous pouvez nous rejondre au bistro italien pour nous laisser un message. Bonne journée à tout le monde!--94.38.225.85 2013年1月22日 (火) 08:00 (UTC)

Picture of the Year voting round 1 open

Dear Wikimedians,

Wikimedia Commons is happy to announce that the 2012 Picture of the Year competition is now open. We're interested in your opinion as to which images qualify to be the Picture of the Year for 2012. Voting is open to established Wikimedia users who meet the following criteria:

  1. Users must have an account, at any Wikimedia project, which was registered before Tue, 01 Jan 2013 00:00:00 +0000 [UTC].
  2. This user account must have more than 75 edits on any single Wikimedia project before Tue, 01 Jan 2013 00:00:00 +0000 [UTC]. Please check your account eligibility at the POTY 2012 Contest Eligibility tool.
  3. Users must vote with an account meeting the above requirements either on Commons or another SUL-related Wikimedia project (for other Wikimedia projects, the account must be attached to the user's Commons account through SUL).

Hundreds of images that have been rated Featured Pictures by the international Wikimedia Commons community in the past year are all entered in this competition. From professional animal and plant shots to breathtaking panoramas and skylines, restorations of historically relevant images, images portraying the world's best architecture, maps, emblems, diagrams created with the most modern technology, and impressive human portraits, Commons features pictures of all flavors.

For your convenience, we have sorted the images into topic categories. Two rounds of voting will be held: In the first round, you can vote for as many images as you like. The first round category winners and the top ten overall will then make it to the final. In the final round, when a limited number of images are left, you must decide on the one image that you want to become the Picture of the Year.

To see the candidate images just go to the POTY 2012 page on Wikimedia Commons.

Wikimedia Commons celebrates our featured images of 2012 with this contest. Your votes decide the Picture of the Year, so remember to vote in the first round by January 30, 2013.

Thanks,
the Wikimedia Commons Picture of the Year committee

This message was delivered based on m:Distribution list/Global message delivery. Translation fetched from: commons:Commons:Picture of the Year/2012/Translations/Village Pump/en -- Rillke (talk) 二〇一三年一月二二日 (二) 二三時四三分 (UTC)[回覆]

Help turn ideas into grants in the new IdeaLab

I apologize if this message is not in your language. Please help translate it.

  • Do you have an idea for a project to improve this community or website?
  • Do you think you could complete your idea if only you had some funding?
  • Do you want to help other people turn their ideas into project plans or grant proposals?

Please join us in the IdeaLab, an incubator for project ideas and Individual Engagement Grant proposals.

The Wikimedia Foundation is seeking new ideas and proposals for Individual Engagement Grants. These grants fund individuals or small groups to complete projects that help improve this community. If interested, please submit a completed proposal by February 15, 2013. Please visit https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG for more information.

Thanks! --Siko Bouterse, Head of Individual Engagement Grants, Wikimedia Foundation 二〇一三年一月三〇日 (三) 二一時〇〇分 (UTC)[回覆]

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字體

大典字體,狹小難讀,且出於他處,非宜也。前有某君言及此事,曰更易字體,須管理員行之,不知孔明兄有否意向?----無命燕居 (talk) 二〇一三年二月三日 (日) 二〇時〇七分 (UTC)[回覆]

按Command鍵與+/=鍵,即可放大字體。殘陽孤俠 (talk) 二〇一三年二月一三日 (三) 〇一時二一分 (UTC)[回覆]
宜於瀏覽器中設定最小字體值,以十二為佳。--孔明居士 (talk) 二〇一三年二月一五日 (五) 一一時〇五分 (UTC)[回覆]

大典徽標更易事宜

因應元維基新立政策,大典徽標必須更易。前因維基共享人員,未作知會,未予諮詢,擅行改動,致徽標失色。為應急計,余自行與之商討,權得改正。惟徽標者,大典之形象,故余在此,告知諸君此事。若有更佳之方案,亦可提出,由余再為爭取,惟未必能成。

詳細紀錄,可參詳此處︰commons:User_talk:Odder#Logo_of_Classical_Chinese_Wikipedia--孔明居士 (talk) 二〇一三年二月一五日 (五) 二三時三九分 (UTC)[回覆]

文言新詞

文當作大典參考,渡至維基大典:文言新詞有異議乎?其成後亦可登首頁乎?司徒某 (talk) 二〇一三年二月一八日 (一) 一九時五三分 (UTC)[回覆]

確宜為參考用。明日倘無異議,即更動之。--孔明居士 (talk) 二〇一三年二月二四日 (日) 一〇時五〇分 (UTC)[回覆]

Wikidata phase 1 (language links) coming to this Wikipedia

Sorry for writing in English. I hope someone can translate this locally.

Wikidata has been in development for a few months now. It is now time for the roll-out of the first part of it on your Wikipedia. Phase 1 is the support for the management of language links. It is already being used on the Hungarian, Hebrew, Italian and English Wikipedias. The next step is to enable the extension on all other Wikipedias. We have currently planned this for March 6.

What is Wikidata?

Wikidata is a central place to store data that you can usually find in infoboxes. Think of it as something like Wikimedia Commons but for data (like the number of inhabitants of a country or the length of a river) instead of multimedia. The first part of this project (centralizing language links) is being rolled out now. The more fancy things will follow later.

What is going to happen?

Language links in the sidebar are going to come from Wikidata in addition to the ones in the wiki text. To edit them, scroll to the bottom of the language links, and click edit. You no longer need to maintain these links by hand in the wiki text of the article.

Where can I find more information and ask questions?

Editors on en:wp have created a great page with all the necessary information for editors and there is also an FAQ for this deployment. Please ask questions you might have on the FAQ’s discussion page.

I want to be kept up to date about Wikidata

To stay up-to-date on everything happening around Wikidata please subscribe to the newsletter that is delivered weekly to subscribed user’s talk pages. You can see previous editions here.

--Lydia Pintscher 二〇一三年二月二一日 (四) 一六時二一分 (UTC)[回覆]

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余不才,自荐为分校管,賴諸君言,能則任之,無則加勉

今余見諸華文維基百科,多有習非成是者(如習「椴樹下大街」成「菩提樹下大街」者[一]),余甚惜之。而或竟不以為過,余更惜之。是故,余願以綿薄之力,盡余所能,為充棟之人。

余非賢人,然自問翻譯理論與外文辭書查證皆略通一二,故雖雅未如嚴復,仍可求其信達。

余知分校權限事關重大,是故余當審之又慎,有疑處當即查閱辭書,並與諸君細論,務求甚解為宜,以保準確。

又:為息「妄改」之怨,凡有異議者,余必拋磚引玉,與諸君細論,非有定論者,可免改則免之。凡有知識錯誤之爭議者,余必註以來源。

  1. 街名Unter den Linden,其Linden(單數Linde)乃「椴樹」而非「菩提樹」。參考

殘陽孤俠 (talk) 二〇一三年二月二二日 (五) 二三時〇五分 (UTC) (前稱User:Cedric_chen_chinese,今稱User:Cedric_tsan_cantonais[回覆]

翻譯不雅之處

得尋頁面中,有「助題」一項,其註釋竟譯為「在維基大典,help中尋」。應改之。纳米黑客 (talk) 二〇一三年二月二八日 (四) 一三時四七分 (UTC)[回覆]

卷首事宜

今之卷首,空空然也。

「詩詞賞析」者,縱向文字實不甚美觀,蓋 CSS 之故, 如近日「詩經‧周南‧桃夭三章」之賞析,標題中之「周」字,獨成一行,懸於文外,一眼看去,又左輕右重,混亂不堪。

卷首者,門面也,今之卷首,幣門破面也。 「新知」者,月餘不曾更改。

竊以為,管理員者,應號召諸位編者,集思廣益,或改進佈局,或新增欄目,

如,既有「詩詞賞析」,何不增設「國畫賞析」「書法碑文賞析」「古建築賞析」之類?如此不一而足 纳米黑客 (talk) 二〇一三年二月二八日 (四) 一三時四七分 (UTC)[回覆]

Wikidata phase 1 (language links) live on this Wikipedia

Sorry for writing in English. I hope someone can translate this locally. If you understand German better than English you can have a look at the announcement on de:Wikipedia:Kurier.

As I annonced 2 weeks ago, Wikidata phase 1 (language links) has been deployed here today. Language links in the sidebar are coming from Wikidata in addition to the ones in the wiki text. To edit them, scroll to the bottom of the language links, and click edit. You no longer need to maintain these links by hand in the wiki text of the article.

Where can I find more information and ask questions? Editors on en:wp have created a great page with all the necessary information for editors and there is also an FAQ for this deployment. It'd be great if you could bring this to this wiki if that has not already happened. Please ask questions you might have on the FAQ’s discussion page.

I want to be kept up to date about Wikidata To stay up-to-date on everything happening around Wikidata please subscribe to the newsletter that is delivered weekly to subscribed user’s talk pages.

--Lydia Pintscher 二〇一三年三月六日 (三) 二三時一五分 (UTC)[回覆]

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Convert complex templates to Lua to make them faster and more powerful

(Please consider translating this message for the benefit of your fellow Wikimedians)

Greetings. As you might have seen on the Wikimedia tech blog or the tech ambassadors list, a new functionality called "Lua" is being enabled on all Wikimedia sites today. Lua is a scripting language that enables you to write faster and more powerful MediaWiki templates.

If you have questions about how to convert existing templates to Lua (or how to create new ones), we'll be holding two support sessions on IRC next week: one on Wednesday (for Oceania, Asia & America) and one on Friday (for Europe, Africa & America); see m:IRC office hours for the details. If you can't make it, you can also get help at mw:Talk:Lua scripting.

If you'd like to learn about this kind of events earlier in advance, consider becoming a Tech ambassador by subscribing to the mailing list. You will also be able to help your fellow Wikimedians have a voice in technical discussions and be notified of important decisions.

Guillaume Paumier, via the Global message delivery system. 二〇一三年三月一三日 (三) 二〇時三二分 (UTC) (wrong page? You can fix it.)[回覆]

簿James8312201欲易名

吾近日欲更簿名,不知所向,雙簿皆為吾所有,唯萬國簿並無自動更名之道,還請掌典助之。James8312201 書房 二〇一三年四月四日 (四) 〇四時四八分 (UTC)[回覆]

Wikidata phase 2 (infoboxes) coming to this Wikipedia

Sorry for writing in English. I hope someone can translate this. If you understand German better than English you can have a look at the announcement on de:Wikipedia:Kurier.

A while ago the first phase of Wikidata was enabled on this Wikipedia. This means you are getting the language links in each article from Wikidata. It is soon time to enable the second phase of Wikidata (infoboxes) here. We have already done this on the [first 11 Wikipedias] (it, he, hu, ru, tr, uk, uz, hr, bs, sr, sh) and things are looking good. The next step is English Wikipedia. This is planned for April 8. If everything works out fine we will deploy on all remaining Wikipedias on April 10. I will update this part of the FAQ if there are any issues forcing us to change this date. I will also sent another note to this village pump once the deployment is finished.

What will happen once we have phase 2 enabled here? Once it is enabled in a few days you will be able to make use of the structured data that is available on Wikidata in your articles/infoboxes. It includes things like the symbol for a chemical element, the ISBN for a book or the top level domain of a country. (None of this will happen automatically. Someone will have to change the article or infobox template for this to happen!)

How will this work? There are two ways to access the data:

  • Use a parser function like {{#property:p169}} in the wiki text of the article on Yahoo!. This will return “Marissa Mayer” as she is the chief executive officer of the company.
  • For more complicated things you can use Lua. The documentation for this is here.

We are working on expanding the parser function so you can for example use {{#property:chief executive officer}} instead of {{#property:p169}}. The complete plan for this is here.

Where can I test this? You can already test it on test2.

Where can I find more information and ask questions? We have collected the main questions in an FAQ for this deployment. Please ask questions you might have on the FAQ’s discussion page.

I want to be kept up to date about Wikidata To stay up-to-date on everything happening around Wikidata please subscribe to the newsletter that is delivered weekly to subscribed user’s talk pages.

--Lydia Pintscher 二〇一三年四月五日 (五) 一七時一六分 (UTC)[回覆]

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縱書卷首

大典縱書,數求而無果,蓋MediaWiki無力也。

然卷首尚可為之,吾造縱版卷首於,今布之於衆,納諸君意見。

今之版本,唯《卓著》真縱書、《詩詞賞析》偽縱書,餘猶橫排,若強縱之,則空白生,故不為之。

其所賴者乃「writing-mode」參數也(IE所獨有,非IE或不能縱書,請以IE觀之),錮其高,令其縱排。瀏覽器之不識「writing-mode」參數者,猶為橫版(以其寬高皆錮矣,必有空白,預留也);識者,若無空間,則取於右。是故縱橫皆無不便。--H2NCH2COOH二〇一三年四月一四日 (日) 〇九時〇八分 (UTC)[回覆]